AI w/ Bry podcast recap

Why Your Sales Team Can't Convert First Calls (And How AI Finally Fixes It)

November 03, 20259 min read

I recently sat down with my TechCXO partner Bryan Dennstedt on his podcast AI with Bry to talk about something that's been plaguing B2B sales leaders for decades:

Why can most sales teams get prospects on a first call, but so few can convert that call into a next step?

After 13+ years advising growth-stage companies and working with hundreds of sales teams, I've identified the three core problems that kill deal momentum—and why they've been "unsolvable" until now.

The Three Problems Killing Your First-Call Conversions

Problem #1: The Meeting Prep Gap

Your reps should spend 30+ minutes researching important prospects. They don't. They can't. Nobody has that kind of time when you're juggling 15 opportunities.

The result? They wing it. They sound generic. They fail to connect the value of solving your prospect's actual business challenges to your specific solutions.

Your top performers sound like industry experts who've done their homework. Your average reps sound like every other vendor calling that week.

Problem #2: The Discovery Disaster

Here's what actually happens on most discovery calls:

  1. Rep probes until they hear a potential problem

  2. Rep immediately pivots to pitch/demo

  3. Rep never quantifies the financial impact of solving the problem

  4. There's no ROI → No urgency → "No decision"

Without quantifying what it costs the prospect to NOT solve the problem, you're selling features, not business outcomes.

Problem #3: Time Kills Deals

"Let me put together a proposal and get that over to you in the next 2 days."

That prospect is gone. Their enthusiasm had a half-life of about 4 hours, and you just let it decay to nothing while you "worked on the proposal."

By the time you send it, they're back to their regularly scheduled chaos, and you'll spend the next two months getting ghosted trying to resurrect a deal that died on the vine.

How AI Changes Everything (When It's Done Right)

During the podcast, Bryan pushed me on a critical point: 85% of AI projects fail to deliver ROI. So why is this different?

Most AI sales tools focus on volume—helping you send more emails, find more contacts, automate more sequences. They're optimizing for quantity when your problem is quality and conversion.

That's why I built Revenue Growth Agent differently. It solves the three previously unsolvable problems by addressing them at their root:

2-Minute Strategic Prep → Your rep types in 7 pieces of info they already have. In under 2 minutes, RGA delivers a complete strategic brief: company financials, competitor analysis, predicted pain points mapped to YOUR specific solutions, and 8 strategic discovery questions. Your rep sounds like they've been in the decision-makers industry for decades. No more winging it.

AI-Guided Discovery → Instead of jumping to pitch, RGA coaches reps through value-based discovery in real-time. It helps them quantify the financial risk of the prospect's current state and the ROI of your solution. Now solving the problem becomes a business priority that your prospect can sell, internally, not a "nice to have."

Instant Proposals → While you're still on the call, RGA generates a comprehensive proposal: current state analysis, financial impact, future state vision, solution mapping, timeline, pricing, ROI analysis, and relevant case studies from YOUR knowledge base.

Before you hang up, you can say: "What we're discussing is a $50K investment with a $2M upside. Even if I'm only half right, this is the biggest no-brainer on the planet. Let's pull up our calendars right now and get this next meeting scheduled."

Commitment while enthusiasm is at its peak.

The Secret: Custom Training on YOUR Business

Here's what makes this work—and it's what Bryan and I spent a lot of time unpacking on the podcast:

RGA isn't another generic AI tool. You train it on YOUR specific materials: case studies, value propositions, pricing models, success stories, competitive differentiators.

Think of it like building a custom GPT that's an expert on your business. When it preps your rep for a meeting or generates a proposal, it's pulling from YOUR proven playbook—not generic templates.

That's why the strategic intelligence is so relevant. That's why the proposals sound like your best rep wrote them. That's why prospects use them internally to build support for your solution.

From AI Hype to Revenue Results

One of Bryan's best questions: "How do you help clients move from AI hype to measurable results?"

My answer: Start small. Stack wins. Scale what works.

Don't wait for Salesforce or your enterprise platform to build this 18 months from now. Don't launch a million-dollar AI transformation that takes 6 months to show value.

Get your curiosity-driven early adopters experimenting. Give them tools that solve real problems. Show quick wins. Build momentum.

The companies winning right now aren't the ones with the biggest AI budgets—they're the ones who started playing, learning, and iterating six months ago.

The Leadership Question

As Bryan put it during our conversation: We've seen this movie before with PCs, the Internet, mobile. The leaders who lean in early gain compounding advantages. The ones who wait get lapped.

The difference this time? The curve is steeper and faster.

If you're a CRO or CEO reading this, ask yourself:

  • Can your team convert first calls at the rate you need to hit your number?

  • Are your reps showing up to calls as the most prepared, most relevant person that prospect talks to all week?

  • Are you losing deals to "no decision" because you never quantified the ROI?

  • Are prospects ghosting you after great first calls because momentum died?

These aren't new problems. But they are newly solvable.

Listen to the Full Conversation

Bryan and I went deep on AI adoption strategy, generative SEO (GEO), avoiding AI fatigue, and how leaders can foster experimentation without getting paralyzed. Listen to the full episode here.

Want to see how this works for your team? 📅 Book a demo of Revenue Growth Agent and we'll show you exactly how your reps could be prepping, discovering, and proposing differently—starting this week.


Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Why can't my sales team convert first calls into next steps?

A: The three core problems are: 1) Reps don't have time for proper meeting prep (30-60 min per call), so they sound generic, 2) Discovery is superficial - they jump to pitch without quantifying ROI, making solving the problem a low priority, and 3) Proposals take too long to deliver, killing momentum when time kills deals. These aren't training issues - they're structural time and capability constraints that AI can finally solve.

Q: How is Revenue Growth Agent different from other AI sales tools?

A: Most AI sales tools focus on volume (more emails, more contacts, more automation). RGA focuses on quality and conversion by training specifically on YOUR business - your case studies, value propositions, competitive differentiators. It's like building a custom GPT that's an expert on your unique solutions, not generic templates. This allows it to generate strategic prospect intelligence and proposals that sound like your best rep wrote them.

Q: How long does it take to prep for a sales call with AI?

A: With Revenue Growth Agent, comprehensive strategic prep takes under 2 minutes instead of 30-60 minutes. Your rep enters 7 basic pieces of information, and RGA delivers company financials, competitor analysis, predicted pain points mapped to your solutions, and 8 strategic discovery questions customized for that specific prospect.

Q: Can AI really help with sales discovery calls?

A: Yes - AI-guided discovery is one of the biggest breakthroughs. Instead of the typical pattern (probe → hear problem → jump to pitch), RGA coaches reps through value-based discovery in real-time, helping them quantify the financial cost of the prospect's current state and the ROI of solving the problem. This makes solving the problem a business priority, not a "nice to have."

Q: How do you generate proposals during the actual sales call?

A: RGA's Proposal Agent uses your custom-trained knowledge base to generate comprehensive proposals in under 2 minutes while you're still on the call. Based on your prospect conversation, it includes current state analysis, financial impact, future state vision, solution mapping, timeline, pricing, ROI calculations, and relevant case studies from YOUR library. This allows you to capture commitment while enthusiasm is at its peak.

Q: What's the ROI of implementing AI in our sales process?

A: The impact shows up in three areas: 1) First-call conversion rates increase because reps sound like industry experts who've done their homework, 2) "No decision" losses decrease because you're quantifying ROI and making solving the problem a priority, and 3) Deal velocity improves because prospects commit to next steps during the call instead of ghosting you during follow-up.

Q: Why do 85% of AI projects fail to deliver ROI?

A: Most AI projects fail because companies try to solve everything at once with massive budgets and long timelines. Success comes from starting small with curiosity-driven early adopters, stacking quick wins with clear metrics (4-8 week pilots), and scaling what works. Don't wait for perfect - chase progress with tools that solve real problems today.

Q: How do you train AI on your specific sales process?

A: You upload your sales materials (PDFs, case studies, value propositions, websites, videos) to create a secure custom knowledge base. The AI learns your unique competitive advantages, success patterns, and proven value propositions. This custom training is why RGA can generate strategic intelligence and proposals that are specifically relevant to your business, not generic templates.

Q: Should we wait for enterprise platforms like Salesforce to add AI features?

A: Enterprise platforms are 12-18 months away from understanding your company's specific solutions like custom-trained AI does today. Imagine Salesforce trying to instruct 200,000 companies on how to train Salesforce on their solutions. They're focused on high-volume email automation, not sales process transformation. While competitors wait, companies using custom-trained AI are winning deals now with better prep, better discovery, and instant proposals.

Q: How long does it take to implement AI sales coaching?

A: Initial setup and training takes 30-60 minutes depending on your content volume. Recommended for Business Development Reps, Sales Development Reps, Account Executives, and Sales Leaders. Each role finds value in different ways, but all benefit from showing up as the most prepared, most relevant person each prospect talks to that week.


This article was inspired by my conversation with Bryan Dennstedt on the AI with Bry podcast. Bryan is a Fractional CTO at TechCXO and host of one of the most practical AI leadership podcasts out there. Original episode published at bry.net.

Matt Oess is the Founder and CEO of Revenue Growth Agent and a sought-after Sales expert. Combining deep AI expertise, 15 years of enterprise sales leadership experience, and 13 years of fractional Chief Revenue Officer and Chief Sales Officer consulting, he built RGA to, once and for all, solve previously-unsolvable sales problems.

Matt Oess

Matt Oess is the Founder and CEO of Revenue Growth Agent and a sought-after Sales expert. Combining deep AI expertise, 15 years of enterprise sales leadership experience, and 13 years of fractional Chief Revenue Officer and Chief Sales Officer consulting, he built RGA to, once and for all, solve previously-unsolvable sales problems.

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